If you had the choice to work in a start up environment like Google or the bureaucratic U.S. Government, which would you choose? Sure enough, most techies choose the companies with free lunches, yoga classes, and relaxed dress code. In this podcast, Harvard Law School Professor Susan Crawford and Administrator of the U.S. General Services Administraton Dan Tangherlini discuss how we can convince tech talent to choose public service instead of Silicon Valley. Later, New America Fellow Anand Gopal discusses what it was like for Afghans to live through the American invasion, and touches on his new book, No Good Men Among the Living.